It seems almost daily that somebody or some group within the "legal umbrella" ranging from the Lord Chancellor to the retired criminal lawyer or barrister is explaining, discussing, excusing, justifying, castigating someone or some factor within that very same umbrella. The common basis for such verbal opinions is the simply dreadful state of what can be termed our criminal justice system. From prisons to police to probation and all stations en route there are practitioners complaining about the dearth of financial resources to do their job properly and a spokesperson of the Ministry of Justice, even the Lord Chancellor of the day him/herself, extolling the benefits even the beneficence of future policies sometimes in conjunction with the Home Office. Of late it has become almost a mantra that for some crime or other, usually initiated by a highly publicised heinous wrong doing, sentence will be increased. It is not uncommon for the judiciary to be blamed in the first place as if it were responsible for the law breaking in not applying the appropriate sanctions in court on previous occasions. Lawyers are blamed for exercising current legal rights for illegal immigrants when the government has not placed before parliament bills to re write such legislation. Currently Covid 19 is the excuse of excuses for the delays in crown court trials of over 60,000 an increase of 45% since last year. What is not mentioned has been a policy of enforced reduced sitting days for judges nor the lack of lawyers available to work for the miserly rate at which legal aid is paid for. Indeed the MOJ budget over the last decade is a sorrowful sight.
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Tuesday, 30 November 2021
PRESS DEPT. COSTS AT MINISTRY OF JUSTICE
It seems almost daily that somebody or some group within the "legal umbrella" ranging from the Lord Chancellor to the retired criminal lawyer or barrister is explaining, discussing, excusing, justifying, castigating someone or some factor within that very same umbrella. The common basis for such verbal opinions is the simply dreadful state of what can be termed our criminal justice system. From prisons to police to probation and all stations en route there are practitioners complaining about the dearth of financial resources to do their job properly and a spokesperson of the Ministry of Justice, even the Lord Chancellor of the day him/herself, extolling the benefits even the beneficence of future policies sometimes in conjunction with the Home Office. Of late it has become almost a mantra that for some crime or other, usually initiated by a highly publicised heinous wrong doing, sentence will be increased. It is not uncommon for the judiciary to be blamed in the first place as if it were responsible for the law breaking in not applying the appropriate sanctions in court on previous occasions. Lawyers are blamed for exercising current legal rights for illegal immigrants when the government has not placed before parliament bills to re write such legislation. Currently Covid 19 is the excuse of excuses for the delays in crown court trials of over 60,000 an increase of 45% since last year. What is not mentioned has been a policy of enforced reduced sitting days for judges nor the lack of lawyers available to work for the miserly rate at which legal aid is paid for. Indeed the MOJ budget over the last decade is a sorrowful sight.
Tuesday, 23 November 2021
STATISTICS AND A SOCIETY UNDER STRESS
In my experience many if not most lawyers advise clients facing an either way charge to elect trial at the crown court. Of course not every defendant can afford the fees involved and many others just want to get the process over and done with as quickly as possible but nevertheless it is instructive to compare the conviction rates in these matters. In magistrates courts that rate was 97.4% in 2011 and remained virtually unchanged at 97.9% in 2021. By contrast the comparable rates at crown court over that period were 81.1% and 84.7%. Even as a non statistician I can note that from the defendants` point of view the motto must be "elect trial by jury". The unasked question of course is why does this discrepancy exist. Some observers assert that magistrates become case hardened; others that magistrates are more likely to be able to detect liars. It could be that a bench follows a structured decision making process to come to its conclusion but a jury of peers can involve a whole gamut of human emotions in coming to its decision. However with around 300 District Judges (MC) and Deputies sitting over an unknown number of such trials the picture becomes somewhat clouded.
For summary motoring offences the statistics indicate that in all probability and with few exceptions defendants would be advised to plead guilty and make use of the reduced sentencing such early pleas offer. In 2011 the conviction rate was 98.5% and in the year ended June 2021 98.8%. In other words whether the CPS evidence is from camera or police officer it`s unlikely to be successfully contested. It would also appear that the Single Justice Procedure introduced in 2015 has not influenced the conviction rate.
A disturbing fact is that indictable offences of violence against the person proceeded against at magistrates courts have increased from 42,530 to 52,925 (+24.44%)between 2020 and 2021 a period in which there was social lockdown. Perhaps future social historians will have something to say about our society under stress.
Tuesday, 16 November 2021
JUSTICE EVAPORATES WITH 8 JUSTICE SECRETARIES SINCE 2010
To put it mildly, the justice system is in a mess. As will increasingly become apparent much of this mess as with so many other policies is being put down by government to Covid 19. Perhaps there other reasons one of which is that we are now on Secretary of State/ Lord Chancellor number eight since 2010. With only one of this number still clinging on to the greasy political pole and the current incumbent there as a demotion is it any wonder that justice, a pillar of any successful democracy, is crumbling before our very eyes.
With Kenneth Clarke on his first appearance before the Justice Select Committee 25/7/2010 we saw what was below that "I`m a fair chap" image; " He was not fussed about competitive tendering (“we have enough lawyers” and there is “no lack of people wanting to come in”). “I haven’t made that many policy decisions yet”, he concluded." Further comment is available here. He was proud to tell the media that in that first austerity budget of the Coalition he had made cuts of 23.8% in the MOJ budget and that he was the first secretary of state to have submitted that intention to the Chancellor of the Exchequer. His period at Petty France was just the beginning of the cracks which are now threatening to collapse the pillar of justice.
From the sublime Kenneth Clarke to the ridiculous Chris Grayling who was his anointed successor. It was his bright idea to decide that having courts and personnel to offer a system of justice to all as the right of every citizen as had been the ethos (more or less) for centuries was untenable and wasteful of precious funds. He decided to impose a tax on every offender for the privilege of appearing in a court of law. This tax was to be over and above any fines, compensation or social or custodial sentence imposed. It was not means tested. Perhaps his landmark achievement was to forbid visitors bringing books for prisoners to read in jail; such a stupid decision it was reversed by his successor. However he will forever be remembered for his actions in his next job as Transport Secretary in signing a shipping contract with a company which had no ships.But no problem; he was a staunch supporter of our prime minister and a fanatic Brexiteer.
Next came Michael Gove to who, to many supporters, is the brains of the party. Speaking outside his portfolio before the Referendum he was not immune to endorsing the lies of the Leavers; Just prior on being questioned on Sky it is quoted, " Like Mr Cameron, Mr Gove faced intense scrutiny of his campaign tactics, in particular the claim that the UK sends £350m to the EU every week. Sky’s political editor Faisal Islam said Mr Gove knew that figure was wrong, and accused him of importing the “post-truth” politics of Donald Trump to the UK. The UK Statistics Authority has said the figure “is misleading and undermines trust in official statistics”, because it is a gross sum and does not account for Britain’s rebate and funding received from the EU. In response to Mr Islam, Mr Gove agreed to have the figure independently audited." The full text is available here. To quote from Politico, "As justice secretary and lord chancellor, Gove got “a lot of the judges and legal Twitter on-side” with warm words on rehabilitation and the justice system, according to one former civil servant who was working in government at the time.But the ex-official believes Gove “did little in the way of actual reform, simply applying his strong rhetorical skills to tell a story about justice.” That was mainly due to his short tenure. He was in post for just over a year before the EU referendum brought the Cameron government to an abrupt halt". It is arguable that had he been in post longer our justice system would have benefited greatly from his intellectual prowess, a facility sadly lacking in some of his contemporaries. Under his short stewardship at Petty France the MOJ produced its annual report 2016/2017 as bland and meaningless as ever.
1. A prison and probation service that reforms offenders. We will:
Maintain the highest level of public protection;
Keep prisons safe and secure;
Reform offenders; and
Reduce reoffending.
2. A modern courts and justice system. We will:
Upgrade the best justice system in the world using
technology and modern ways of working;
Put the citizen at the centre of the justice system;
Protect vulnerable victims, witnesses and children; and
Support the independent judiciary and their ability to attract the best and widest range of talent.
3. A Global Britain that promotes the rule of law. We will:
Make the most of opportunities presented by exiting the
EU to expand the reach of our world leading legal services;
Promote our world class legal sector and judiciary; and
Protect our common law traditions and strengthen ourhuman rights framework.
4. A transformed department. We will:
Deliver excellent services to the public through a diverse,
engaged and capable workforce;
Be a unified and responsive department, collaborating withpartners across the justice system and government;
Put data, information, technology and innovation at the
heart of our work to improve our services; and
Deliver value and drive efficiency in all we do.
The second part of my principles is the Rule of Law. What I mean is that as a society we are governed by clear rules set in advance and not by the arbitrary choices of those in power. That is a fundamental principle of our Constitution and I would not want any reform to endanger it.
The third is the Sovereignty of Parliament. In order for life in common to be possible, the laws that govern us must be orientated towards the common good. But what the common good means is, of course, open to interpretation. As Winston Churchill said, the least bad way of settling those disagreements is through democracy. It is our Constitution that gives the final say to the elected Parliament, not to the unelected branches of the state. I think that is a very sensible settlement which has served us all very well.
Tuesday, 9 November 2021
STOP AND SEARCH; THE FACTS
"Stop and search" has become a phrase which is familiar to most people over the age of ten. It is, perhaps, the most divisive of actions which the ordinary cop on the beat can take. It is subject to very stringent rules about which most people especially those liable to be the object of such action have only partial knowledge. It is also a topic about which individuals from Opposition shadow ministers to rabble rousing members of ethnic minorities make a great deal of heat but often very little enlightenment. There can be very few of those who listen to, watch or google the news from any number of sources who are unaware that there seems to be an inordinate number of young black boys or youths killed by other young black boys or youths. Indeed in some parts of London it might not be an exaggeration to call this an epidemic.
What I have done for this post is to source some irrefutable government statistics on this thorny subject. For those who have the interest and the time I hope it will be a worthwhile effort. First of all perhaps the most important fact on stop and search is an awareness of the actual powers the police have to operate it within the law. The information can be accessed here. When black spokespeople bemoan the indignation and embarrassment of young black men being subjected to stop and search they might be losing sight that it is precisely males of black ethnicity who are most likely to be victims of violence. It is often the mothers of young black men killed by their peers who publicly denounce this fact. A much longer more detailed treatise on this was published earlier this year. If you, dear reader, have read this far, a further ten minutes of learned observation might complete your understanding of this for ever controversial subject.
Tuesday, 2 November 2021
MAGISTRATES` MAJORITY GUILTY VERDICT
Magistrates courts might arguably claim to be the first courts in England where the common person and the king`s law came into conflict. Depending on the circumstances such courts were sometimes held outside in public where the full power of the king through his judges could be demonstrated as a deterrent to those who would consider breaking his law. Paradoxically today it could be argued that the magistrates courts system at the base of the courts pyramid far from being public is the most secretive of all. I have in previous posts offered my opinion on the latest such example of secrecy embodied in the Single Justice Procedure. There is, however, another facet of the system that has been commonplace for generations; the verdict after trial. Most cases at magistrates courts end in a guilty verdict (84%). Of course that includes the many who plead guilty. In 2004 there were approaching 200,000 trials; in 2019 that had reduced to 109,396 and owing to Covid in 2020 there were 57,388. Statisticians, criminologists and lawyers will argue over this apparently perhaps disturbing trend. When a crown court verdict is announced it is publicly known whether or not it is a verdict of all 12 jurors or whether the judge has accepted a majority of 10:2. At the Appeal Court or Supreme Court where there is a dissenting opinion that opinion is placed in the public record. What is certain is that nobody knows whether the trial verdict at the magistrates court is reached by all three magistrates or by a majority of 2:1. Of course when a single District Judge (MC) is presiding the question is unnecessary. I have long considered this an anomaly in what is supposed to be an open and fair justice system. When the verdict is acquittal the matter ends but when guilt is established why should it not be announced that it is a majority verdict and the appeal process compulsorily made public to the offender and the public? As far as I know this question has never been asked; never mind being answered. From my own position as a presiding magistrate or "chairman" as we used to describe ourselves before woke thought and action infiltrated every aspect of the justice system as it has so many aspects of society, whenever I had to pronounce a guilty verdict with a retiring room colleague having made a plausible not proven argument I would ensure that the appeal process and particularly the time limit and financial cost of the exercise were explained. Thankfully such occasions were relatively few in number the exceptions usually involving a relatively inexperienced colleague who had deviated from having a structured approach to his/her conclusion. Such colleagues usually were open to their being assisted in coming to a logical conclusion based upon the evidence presented. If they finally came to a contrary conclusion but based upon ascending that structural ladder I would make clear that no criticism whatsoever would be taken by the majority couple. More often or not at our next meeting in the retiring room words to the effect of "I enjoyed sitting with you last time. Thank you for your support" would be exchanged. With identity politics even invading the bench and especially the Magistrates Association I doubt I would last a month in a system now becoming even more dominated by HMCTS, an organisation which would throw this post on a bonfire if it could.
Wednesday, 27 October 2021
MORE ON SINGLE JUSTICE PROCEDURE
Almost half a million cases at magistrates courts are dealt with in private. It`s called the Single Justice Procedure. At the very least justice is not seen to be done. At worst it forms a basis on which a future government of a more authoritarian bent could extend this process and that is a road where blackness looms.
Below is from Hansard
Judicial Review and Courts Bill
26 Oct 2021
Dominic Raab: ...introduce measures that use new technology to streamline procedures to strip out unnecessary in-person hearings and create more efficient processes for allocation of cases in the Crown court and the magistrates court. That will enable swifter resolution of low-level offences such as travelling on a train without a ticket or fishing without a licensed rod without the need for the time and...
magistrates : 1 Written Answer
Written Answers - Ministry of Justice: Reoffenders
26 Oct 2021
James Cartlidge: For the year ending March 2021, approximately 670 defendants were dealt with at the magistrates’ courts under SJP where the offence was deemed ‘recordable on the PNC’, which makes up 0.1% of the total defendants dealt with via SJP in that period (489,910). We are unable to say how many of these defendants were convicted of the recordable offence without incurring a disproportionate cost.
Monday, 25 October 2021
MAGISTRATES ASSOCIATION REVEALS ITS WOKE APPROACH TO JUSTICE
The Kingdom of England can arguably be stated as having been founded in the last century of the first millennium perhaps a century after the founding of the northern part of the British Isles known as Scotland. The 13th century saw the incorporation of Wales into the Kingdom of England. The Kingdom of Ireland was brought under English control between 1541 and 1691. A sixteenth century royal marriage led to the Union of the Crowns in 1603 and the Kingdom of Great Britain was created in 1707 leading to the formation of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland in 1801. The establishment of the Irish Free State in 1922 led to the current designation of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland in 1927. The underlying political sentiments of those involved particularly for the last 200 years have been that there is much more that unites us than divides us. That is until the latter part of the last century. Whether by benign neglect or the emergence of an anti colonialism mind set in Scotland and Ireland separatism as a target began to take hold in some philosophical/historical minds and actions within both nations. The modern tragedy of Irish nationalism is still with us and the Scots seem to be plunging deeper and deeper into a death wish of economic turbulence and possible collapse. So what has this to do with a blog written by a retired magistrate with an interest in justice and the law? In the last few weeks the Magistrates Association has been following a singularly IMHO divisive line of its thinking as indicated by its Tweets.
·
It’s National
Coming Out Day! Our LGBT+ Diversity and Inclusion Network provides a safe space
for LGBT+ magistrates to discuss any issues which may affect them in court, as
well champion equality and respect within the justice system
·
#BlackHistoryMonth recommended reading:
Influential Black Britons illustrated book (published by UK Parliament). This
resource lists individuals who have impacted UK laws and equal rights. Olaudah
Equiano, Mary Prince, Claudia Jones, Lord Learie Constantine, Bernie Grant…
(2/20)
It’s National Coming Out Day! Our LGBT+ Diversity
and Inclusion Network provides a safe space for LGBT+ magistrates to discuss
any issues which may affect them in court, as well champion equality and
respect within the justice system. Find out more at - https://magistrates-association.org.uk/What-We-Do/MA-
·
Over on the
Instagram, Dan, our trustee and deputy chair of our
LGBT+ Special Interest Group, talks about the importance of having a diverse
magistracy and some of the transferable skills magistrates gain that can be so
valuable to employers.
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Knife crime is a serious problem but there is no
robust evidence that stop and search is the answer, while it could further
damage the trust and confidence that Black, Asian and Minority Ethnic
communities have in the justice system.
·
The MA’s disproportionality presentation provides
information about the disproportionate over-representation of Black, Asian and
Minority Ethnic people in the youth justice system, and what magistrates can do
to address this in and out of the courtroom.
·
It is encouraging that 18% of new magistrates are
under 40, though there is still work to be done to attract more volunteers from
Black, Asian and Minority Ethnic backgrounds.
·
‘Must-Listen-To’ Claxon
:
Hear MA board member & chair of our Young Magistrates Group,
, talk on
#FourThought about what it’s like to be a
young magistrate, and why having more will improve justice. Luke you were
excellent
·
Modelling for raising the retirement age to 75
projected that there will be 0.8% fewer BAME magistrates in any given year than
at present. The MA has called for this impact on diversity to be mitigated by
recruitment specifically targeting under-represented groups.
·
'There is certainly no such thing as your
stereotypical magistrate'.
Some retweets..
Magistrates Association Retweeted
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Joining colleagues from across the UK for the
inaugural meeting of the Black, Asian and Ethnic
Minority Special Interest Group. Speakers included the MA Chair
and new CEO @TomFranklinUK
Dan, MA trustee and deputy chair of our LGBT+
Special Interest Group, speaks to
as part of #PrideMonth
What those tweets indicate to me is that the Magistrates Association following the many examples of woke inspired separatism is functioning in the mistaken belief that representation of all manor of variations in the make up of society provides a better quality of justice for all those who come to court. In simple terms the so called life truths of a bench are more likely to provide outcomes which suit the individual`s circumstances than the intellectual challenge of weighing up evidence so that the facts of a case are teased from all that the court must consider in coming to its conclusion. The practices of the M.A. in having sub committees for some of the very varied groupings in our society is inimitable to the cohesion which binds together those very same groupings. Undue emphasis on "diversity" risks a mockery of the judicial oath; “I, ______ , do swear by Almighty God that I will well and truly serve our Sovereign Lady Queen Elizabeth the Second in the office of ______ ,
and I will do I will do right to all manner of people after the laws and usages of this Realm, without fear or favour , affection or ill-will." [my bold]. There will be those who will retort that it takes eg a "life truth" of living as an impoverished or racially abused member of a minority group to understand and appreciate circumstances of any offender`s particular actions but from my experience much thinking along those lines is in direct contradiction of the last eight words of the oath above. The continued emphasis on recruitment to supposedly represent society does no favour for selecting the best people to be sitting in judgement on their fellow citizens. For example in Bradford where the ethnic composition is that the largest religious group is Christian (45.9% of the population) and nearly one quarter of the population (24.7%) is Muslim is that to be the target by the advisory committee charged with appointment of magistrates? 20.7% of Bradford citizens self declare that they do not follow a religion. Are they too to be represented on the Bench in that proportion?
When I was appointed in 1997 a question on the application form was for the applicant to state which political party benefited from his/her vote at the previous general election. I left it unanswered. In due course I received a letter enclosing my application telling me that unless I resubmitted the form with every question answered my application would not be considered. I duly filled in the name of the political party for which I had voted. That question was omitted from the form a few years later. The powers that be no longer want to know who their applicants vote for but now do want to know so much more about the essence of their very being.
All this might be considered under the term "woke or not woke". When universities and many institutions are afraid to issue firm declarations to students and others who foster hate at those whose opinions they oppose, who ignore antisemitism propagated at all levels of our society in the guise of "anti Zionism" there is a fear pervading many to whom society has bestowed influence that speaking out about any topic which questions current societal mores is a career and/or reputation breaker. In simple terms it`s called self censorship. When fear is the basis of the way we conduct our daily lives proto fascism is appearing over the political horizon. Unfortunately the Magistrates Association is slowly but surely being dragged into this cultural morass.
Tuesday, 19 October 2021
THE KING OF THE WORLD AT NUMBER 10
Since 1945 the Chancellors of Germany have been significant in the development of this country and its relationships with mainland Europe. From Konrad Adenauer (1949–63), Ludwig Erhard (1963–66), Kurt Georg Kiesinger (1966–69), Willy Brandt (1969–74), Helmut Schmidt,(1974–82), Helmut Kohl (1982–98), Gerhard Schröder (1998–2005) to Angela Merkel (2005– 2021) the last named perhaps more familiar than the others owing to her historical proximity and her distance from the ravages of 1933-1945. It was 2014 when despite the entreaties of the then prime minister David Cameron she refused to concede to him some very simple even basic steps to enable him to tell the British electorate that this country had secured at least a token of independence from some of the strictures imposed by the European Union. And this inability to negotiate a get out of jail free card begot the referendum and the referendum begot a most divisive fissure in the British political system in the post war era. The current government with its huge majority, led by the man who would be king of the world, has since 2019 tried to usurp the will of Parliament only to be stymied by the decisions of the Supreme Court. More than once he has conveyed his opinion that the Court was interfering in what were political decisions. It seems that the new Lord Chancellor following in the footsteps of his master like a well trained puppy has expressed his master`s voice in that " A 'mechanism' to allow the government to introduce ad hoc legislation to correct court judgements that ministers believe are 'incorrect' will form part of proposals to reform the Human Rights Act". Whilst such UK enacted legislation might not necessarily be to the detriment of UK citizens he made clear that "Where there have been judgements that, albeit properly and duly delivered by the courts, we think are wrong,(my bold) the right thing is for Parliament to legislate to correct them." This intention is nothing but the first tentative footstep to disavowing the very basis on which this country is governed; ie by the rule of law where no person, organisation or political party is above the law. In some respects this would be unelected king sits in Downing Street largely because his 2019 opponent was an antisemitic Marxist whom the nation rightly rejected. Imagine for one moment if he were in number 10 and his Lord Chancellor the equally antisemitic.........oops anti Zionist Marxist Richard Burgon were to have made such a declaration. There would have been outrage but the Tory press and a supine Cabinet have remained largely silent. The Prime Minister tries to disguise this whole charade by exclaiming that this process will restore the rights of Parliament. To be polite this is poppycock in my opinion. The earliest signs of an authoritarian regime or one that is progressing along that road is to enact legislation to insulate itself from criticism followed by active steps to control and finally eliminate that criticism. From Attila the Hun to Adolf Hitler via Genghis Khan and countless others the same formula is followed to ensure obedience to rule by decree; hamstring the judicial system and cow the judges. A brief glance at the situation in Hong Kong over the last two years provides an example of how quickly the rule of law can be subverted to the rule of political authority.
What these proposals are of course intended to do is to further insulate the executive organs of the state from the burden of complying with the law, as of course put in place by, err, Parliament. With Parliament and particularly the House of Commons enjoying a brief period of respect after the murder of one of its own there is no doubt that those who enabled Johnson to his present position are first and foremost tasked with securing their own and their party`s re-election. Until and unless Her Majesty`s Loyal Opposition is capable of providing an alternative we might in the next couple of years look back at 2016 as the worst event since 1939.
Tuesday, 12 October 2021
11 YEARS ON AND NOTHING MUCH HAS CHANGED
The Law Gazette`s comments page on extending the sentencing powers of magistrates courts has as expected produced the same old arguments that one reads almost annually when this proposal gets a public airing. The usual people respond that the best way to serve justice is to remove entirely the powers of magistrates courts to use custody as a sentencing option. Earlier this week The Guardian had published this. A new Lord Chancellor has already in his short time in office come out with the usual platitudes. No doubt there will be more to come. A looming financial crisis is once again going to be an excuse for delaying the much needed finance to reduce the abysmally long delays especially in the crown courts. All this hoo ha reminded me of a post I wrote almost exactly 11 years ago on 20th October 2010. I think it might jog a few memories and even be instructive if I copy it below in full.
QUESTIONS IN THE HOUSE/SHORT SENTENCES
by TheJusticeofthePeace @ 20. Oct. 2010. – 12:52:52
A
question and answer session yesterday with Justice Secretary Kenneth Clarke on
short sentences at Magistrates` Courts is worth copying here below.
Short Custodial Sentences
Oral Answers to Questions — Justice
House of Commons debates, 19 October 2010, 2:30 pm
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Commons debates on 19 Oct 2010
Hazel Blears (Salford and Eccles,
Labour)
What recent discussions he has had with
the Sentencing Guidelines Council on its guidance on short custodial sentences.
Kenneth Clarke (Lord Chancellor,
Secretary of State, Justice; Rushcliffe, Conservative)
The Sentencing Guidelines Council has
not issued any specific guidance on short custodial sentences. We have had no
discussions with the council on this topic, which we are considering as part of
our assessment of sentencing policy.
Hazel Blears (Salford and Eccles,
Labour)
The Secretary of State may be aware of
a recent case in my constituency in which a young man suffering from autism and
Asperger's syndrome was subjected to a series of horrific attacks by three
other young men. The judge said that the attacks could almost amount to torture,
yet the three perpetrators were given community orders. During the general
election, Mr Cameron, now the Prime Minister, told the country that we are not
convicting enough. He then explicitly said that
"when we do convict them, they're
not getting long enough sentences."
Just two weeks ago, in his speech to
the Conservative party conference, the Prime Minister said that
"offenders who should go to prison
will go to prison".
I agree with the Prime Minister-does
the Secretary of State?
Kenneth Clarke (Lord Chancellor,
Secretary of State, Justice; Rushcliffe, Conservative)
One of the failings of the last
Government was to take a popular subject from the popular press and make rather
shallow partisan points out of it. Sentencing in individual cases is not a matter
for Ministers, and should not be a matter for sensational comment to the
newspapers by Ministers with the frequency that it was. We have to ensure that
justice is done, particularly to the victims of crime, and that justice is
carried out in such a way as to reduce the risk of reoffending. We have made
our approach to crime perfectly clear: we must punish the guilty. Prison is the
right place for serious criminals-they will not commit more crimes while
inside-but we also strive to avoid reoffending. The case that the right hon.
Lady mentions was obviously a serious case for the victim, but newspaper
cuttings from Salford are not the source of future criminal justice reform.
Philip Davies (Shipley, Conservative)
Will the Secretary of State take this
opportunity to acknowledge that very few people are sentenced to prison for a
first offence? The vast majority of people who serve short-term prison
sentences do so only because they have been given community sentence after
community sentence, all of which have failed. The last thing to do with those
people is to give them another community sentence, only for it to fail once
again.
Kenneth Clarke (Lord Chancellor,
Secretary of State, Justice; Rushcliffe, Conservative)
It is very pleasant to say that I
largely agree with my hon. Friend. He has probably been upset by reports that I
am minded to abolish short prison sentences. Actually, I have always expressed
precisely the opposite opinion. It has never been my view that we should
abolish all short prison sentences. Indeed, I have rather shared his opinion
that with the kind of irritating recidivist offender who is causing a lot of
damage, if they offend over and over again there is quite often no alternative
to a short prison sentence. There are too many such offenders, and although
there are cases in which we can avoid the use of short prison sentences, if we
do that we must have a very effective alternative.
Sadiq Khan (Tooting, Labour)
May I begin by saying how much I
genuinely relish the prospect of debating-and, dare I say, arguing-with the
Lord Chancellor and his team on the matters in their portfolio? I am also
looking forward to working with the coalition Government where there are areas
of agreement between us, notably on the use of restorative justice projects
such as community payback-a subject that has already been raised by Elizabeth
Truss and other colleagues. However, the right hon. and learned Gentleman will
know that most people who receive short prison sentences are persistent
offenders who have refused to change their behaviour, even after undergoing
community sentences, as has been said. He has said that he is not against
abolishing the power of magistrates to award short sentences. Will he commit
today not to reduce, in the sentencing review now taking place, the power of
magistrates to give custodial sentences where appropriate?
Kenneth Clarke (Lord Chancellor,
Secretary of State, Justice; Rushcliffe, Conservative)
I welcome the right hon. Gentleman to
his place, and I look forward to debating with him. He has certainly got to
Cabinet level a damn sight more quickly than I ever did, so I am sure that he
will prove a formidable challenge to the Government. As I have already said, we
will not take away powers from magistrates courts, which sometimes find it
absolutely inevitable that they have to give somebody a short prison sentence,
because everything else has failed and that person is continuing to cause
damage to other people. However, we hope to provide magistrates with the full
range of alternatives. As my right hon. Friend the Minister for Policing and
Criminal Justice said a few moments ago, more credible community
sentences-sentences with a properly punitive element that might have a better
chance of rehabilitating the offender-should be tried in more cases, and we
will try to provide them for magistrates.
Sadiq Khan (Tooting, Labour)
I am grateful to the Lord Chancellor
for that answer. He has made it absolutely clear that magistrates will not have
the power to give short sentences taken away from them. For clarity, will he
also confirm that the cuts that will be announced tomorrow will not lead to a
reduction in any prison places or to any prisons being closed?
Kenneth Clarke (Lord Chancellor,
Secretary of State, Justice; Rushcliffe, Conservative)
I hope that the right hon. Gentleman is
not going to follow his predecessors in making a great policy point about a
target for the number of people in prison, because there is no evidence that
that does any good to anybody. We do have to- [ Interruption. ] The present
numbers are enormous compared with the numbers when we were last in office.
There are 20,000 more people in prison than there were when we last had a
Conservative Home Secretary in charge. We are looking at what works, and what
protects the public. Prison must be used for those for whom it is essential,
but it is simply not the case that prison is the only way of dealing with all
offenders. Once we have punished people and given others a break from their
activities, the key thing is to do more than the present system does to reduce
the risk of their reoffending and committing more crimes against more victims,
to which the present system almost condemns us. More than half of prisoners-
John Bercow (Speaker)
Order. I am grateful to the Secretary
of State, but we now need shorter questions and shorter answers.