Last week Inspector Paul Cording, of North Yorkshire Police’s Roads Policing Group, said with reference to a speeder, “This sentence is a clear demonstration of the determination of all those in the criminal justice system to keep the roads in North Yorkshire as safe as possible. Barton’s speed was completely unacceptable and utterly reckless. It is simply not something we will tolerate. He not only put his own life at risk, Barton endangered the safety of other road users. Anyone caught using the roads of North Yorkshire as a racetrack should expect to face the same punishment when they are caught”. The offender, a Mr Barton, was caught riding his bike at 135 MPH on the A1. The report indicates his driving ban was for 56 days; the maximum available. He could have been given six penalty points and been a six months banned totter if he had had six points already on his license but that was a choice for the bench which had all the facts and circumstances placed before it. In the light of such speeding offences the cut off penalty at 110 MPH surely should be amended.
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Thursday, 19 September 2013
HIGH SPEED SPEEDING
Last week Inspector Paul Cording, of North Yorkshire Police’s Roads Policing Group, said with reference to a speeder, “This sentence is a clear demonstration of the determination of all those in the criminal justice system to keep the roads in North Yorkshire as safe as possible. Barton’s speed was completely unacceptable and utterly reckless. It is simply not something we will tolerate. He not only put his own life at risk, Barton endangered the safety of other road users. Anyone caught using the roads of North Yorkshire as a racetrack should expect to face the same punishment when they are caught”. The offender, a Mr Barton, was caught riding his bike at 135 MPH on the A1. The report indicates his driving ban was for 56 days; the maximum available. He could have been given six penalty points and been a six months banned totter if he had had six points already on his license but that was a choice for the bench which had all the facts and circumstances placed before it. In the light of such speeding offences the cut off penalty at 110 MPH surely should be amended.
Wednesday, 18 September 2013
LIES, DAMNED LIES AND STATISTICS
I have from time to time offered the opinion commonly held that the adage of there being three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics is applicable to all manner of numbers offered in the law `n order debate. That now encompasses legal aid, its benefactors and its recipients. Figures were released earlier this week; figures which I will make no attempt to analyse. They are presented for those who wish to draw conclusions. For me the situation in court is that an increasing number of unrepresented defendants is appearing at trial. One result is that prior to CPS opening its case the defendant as usual is asked if his plea remains as not guilty and when that question seems to be difficult to answer further questioning elicits what is in effect mitigation. The result is often a change of plea and more wasted court time. When the defendant has required an interpreter the costs escalate. In my experience a defendant pleading not guilty at the first listing requires to be carefully questioned to avoid a wasted second listing as above.
These increased delays in proceedings will I suppose eventually appear as cracked or ineffective trial percentages but it is hardly likely that a direct association with reduced funding for legal aid will be made….lies, damned lies and statistics.
Tuesday, 17 September 2013
MAGISTRATES DURING THEIR SITTINGS ORDERED TO CONDUCT TIME & MOTION SURVEYS FOR HMCTS
I have
previously expressed the opinion that we are more and more being considered by
HMCTS as unpaid employees as opposed to the actuality that we are volunteers
comprising the lowest level of the judiciary.
This situation has arisen purely and simply because our representatives
have been impotent in the face of the steamrolling actions of HMCTS and other parts of the Justice
Ministry. The supine behaviour of
organisations eg Bench Chairmen and their talking shop aptly named Forum {definition:-
a meeting or medium where ideas and views on a
particular issue can be exchanged}. show it
has no power whatsoever and is an ego trip for its participants. Of more significance is the continuing failure
of the Magistrates` Association to confront (at least in public) government with
opposition to the unsaid future of J.P.s being excluded from their primary
function in our courts.
The insidious traps
which are salami slicing our functions baited with the honeyed proposals of Damien Green in
his letter to magistrates of 30/08/2013 serve as a warning -
"1. How do we ensure that magistrates deal with the right cases in court?
2. How can magistrates play a stronger
role in the community?
3. How can we ensure that Magistrates are in the driving seat of improving
performance of the justice system
in their communities?"
With Her
Majesty`s Courts and Tribunal Service the evidence is even more stark in their
attitude to us. We are to be part of a
time and motion study of the performance of SERCO; a giant organisational amoeba absorbing all the
government contracts it can stomach as a result of the almost paranoid desire
of Chris Grayling to rid his Ministry of any responsibility for its primary
functions at the alter of payment by results.
An interested individual has
kindly provided proof of this in documents sent to a Bench chairman. These are reproduced below with some
redactions.
Members of a
bench are being instructed to effect a time and motion study on the orders of
their Justices Clerk. The requirement is
to monitor the efficiency or lack thereof of SERCO in relation to its contract
to produce prisoners in court on time. This is stretching to an unprecedented level
the co-operation which has historically been essential to the smooth running of
magistrates` courts. If HMCTS wishes to know if its contract with SERCO is less
effective than expected it should employ appropriate people to fulfil that
function. Magistrates are not on the bench for such a purpose. They have been hitherto ready, willing and able to
function as volunteers in a unique partnership with an essential limb of
government. That HMCTS has issued such a
decree is nothing short of outrageous and it risks losing what little goodwill
remains between it and many if not most of my colleagues if and when the
process encompasses them personally.
Reference is made in doc 1 to the Judicial Issues Group. This organisation started off as the Justices
Issue Group and when HMCTS was merely Her Majesty`s Courts Service before the inevitable “bigger is better”
mantra for such organisations saw it digest the Tribunals Service to become the monster it is today. This
document is the foundation of all relationships between Justices of the Peace
and those who operate the courts. This was followed in 2006 by the paper “Responsibilities for the leadership and management of the judicial business of theMagistrates’ Courts”. 2007 saw the
publication of “The Responsibilities of Justices’ Clerks to the Magistracy andthe Discharge of their Judicial Functions”.
It seems
impossible for the underlying themes within those documents to be compatible
with what is happening re the monitoring of performances of SERCO by
magistrates who are sitting in court exercising their judicial function.
Bench chairmen
have or should have a lot of explaining to do.
The Magistrates Association is as impotent as a eunuch in ancient Egypt
in its dealings with this Justice Secretary and his minions so it`s no surprise
that this “initiative” has, as far as I know, not appeared in its official publication
although I am ready to be contradicted. This fiasco is further proof if that were
needed that the views and/or opinions of J.P.s are of no consequence whatsoever
despite the usual arguments of representation at bench or M.A. branch
level. These are totally ineffective and
allow weak representatives to be overwhelmed by the government machine.
Who is there now who is confident that
the majority of magistrates` courts in
2025 will be constituted as they are now; by three Justices of the Peace?
Thursday, 12 September 2013
WEASELS OF WHITEHALL
As if there were
not enough writing on the wall to warn us that the days of magistrates in court are numbered Lord High Executioner Grayling
could not have made his intentions any clearer in his recent speech at the
National Bench Chairs Forum; an organisation which is a total waste of time and
effort. It is not representative of
J.P.s and is just a talking shop. It
effectively has divided magistrates
whose primary representative organisation, the Magistrates` Association, has
allowed itself to be out thought and out
manoeuvred by the weasels of Whitehall
whose long term plan is to have us removed from our position in the magistrates`
courts.
Magistrates in
buildings where there are no longer remand, breach or sentencing courts; those now
having dedicated venues, spend at least half an hour per three hour sitting on
down time if averaged out over a few months if my typical court is anything to
go by. And that means there is slack in
the system…..we all know why but that`s not for today.
“It’s utterly
absurd that three magistrates should spend their time rubber-stamping foregone
conclusions in simple road traffic cases.’ Thus spake Grayling. So in those traffic courts where it is not
uncommon for a bench to discover improper procedures or errors of one sort or
another two J.P.s will be superfluous whilst the third sits in an office. That`s enough to get rid of two thousand of
us. Next stop will be T.V. license
courts where 3,500 prosecutions are brought weekly. As sure as night follows day we will be told
that these also require only a single magistrate to rubber stamp the
decision. That`s reason enough to sack
or allow age related natural wastage to dispense with another three thousand magistrates. He was quoted also as stating that, “that
with a falling number of cases coming before the courts there needs to be
‘smart’ ways of deploying them”. It
cannot be more plain even for the chairman of the M.A. who refuses to believe
what is staring him in the face that the long term for J.P.s will involve mainly
non court activities. There might be the
solace of sitting as wingers to District Judges(MC) in trial courts for those
newly appointed J.P.s who would know no
better. Combined with natural wastage of
a relatively old cohort of current
magistrates mass resignations which would inevitably follow
would fit tidily with the change over to a fully professional judiciary in the
lower courts; a judiciary beholden to government and owing to its age and
background less financially independent of government decree that the current
senior judiciary. Of course that is exactly what government wishes to see
happen. The directions to DJs and sentencing results after the August riots
of 2011 are proof of that.
The weasels of Whitehall are on game and
set; only the match remains to be won.
T.V. IN COURT
For a long time
I`ve argued in favour of the televising of court proceedings in England. Scotland has
been broadcasting trials for some years albeit on a very selective basis. Two years ago SKY TV began live coverage of the Supreme
Court. Today the go ahead has been given
to widen the coverage of legal proceedings initially on a restricted
basis. So for the first time in many
months I doff my hat to a proposal from the Ministry of Justice.
Tuesday, 10 September 2013
AYE; THERE`S THE RUB
“We have a case
of assault in a domestic context”. These
are the opening words I usually use when
pronouncing the bench decision after a trial of assault where the defendant and
complainant are or were individuals in an intimate relationship although by
default the term applies more widely eg father to child or sister to sister in
law. The important consideration is
that there is no offence of “domestic violence” although that is the generic
term widely used to describe acts ranging from assault which is a summary only
offence to murder. And perhaps that is part of the problem for a problem there
certainly is.
Much legislation
by the very nature of our system of government is enacted for or by political
pressure whereby a government of the day seeks to gain favour with the
electorate. To quote Wikipedia, “The
first known use of the expression "domestic violence" in a modern
context, meaning "spouse abuse, violence in the home" was in 1973”. It is no coincidence that by this time the “women`s
movement” had become firmly established subsequent to widespread use of oral contraceptives and the drive for
equality in all walks of life including the marital home. Thereafter efforts to promote that equality
have been part and parcel of the parliamentary as well as economic process. Much
of the evidence used in DV training for J.P.s is derived from studies in the
state of Michigan U.S.A. where it was
concluded that victims suffered over 30 episodes of violence prior to informing
police. It was only about a decade ago that
the Metropolitan Police decided to investigate cases where there was little hope of the victim being persuaded to appear in court. My memory of the
training sessions on DV is that the trainers considered that we should bear in
mind that when a case appears in court it is as the tip of a violence
iceberg. That philosophy might be
appropriate if government had legislated for DV
per se. Instead we have it under
various levels of assault as mentioned earlier with the context as an
aggravating factor. The result is that
we must IMHO disregard statistics and find only on the facts of any case on
which we are sitting. This inevitably
results in acquittal of some who might have been found “not proven” north of
the border.
However of all
criminal law making DV must come as high
a priority as any when a party becomes a
vote seeker in 2015 which is a good reason why Theresa May, the Home Secretary,
last Friday announced that Her Majesty's Inspectorate of Constabulary (HMIC)
will inspect the performance of police forces across the country, to identify
where improvements need to be made to ensure effectiveness of the police
approach to domestic violence and report back in April 2014. But it is not just the police in the
dock. The CPS and its associate the
Witness Service have much to answer for also insofar as those agencies have
been entrusted with the task of actually bringing the evidence before a court where
that evidence seems likely to lead to conviction and is in the public
interest. And as
the Bard might have considered when writing in his will that his wife should
inherit only his second best bed…….. “Aye, there`s the rub”.
Monday, 9 September 2013
JEREMIAH, J.P.s, CHRISTMAS & TURKEYS
What can magistrates do, outside of courtrooms, to help reduce crime and re-offending, and make communities safer?
This is the
headline on a page in the members` area of the Magistrates` Association
website. This page is unavailable to the
public. The headline itself is an introduction to a request for ideas or
comments on ideas already submitted for
the Justice Ministry to explore in depth.
To quote directly from the web page:-
"Great
things already happening
The
following are some of the great examples of where you are
already using your knowledge and experience from the bench in your
communities, to improve the criminal justice system.
- organising mock trials to explain sentencing to the local community
- visiting local schools to explain the legal system to young people in an innovative and exciting way
- you play an important role in making sure the police are using out-of-court disposals correctly
What
you can submit
Ideas
can be as innovative as you like (they could even involve us changing the law),
the only ground rules are that they must:
- involve magistrates outside of the traditional courtroom role
- be compatible with your core role as judicial office holders
- (in these chastened times), not mean significant extra cost.
What
we will do next
We
will take the top 5 voted ideas and work with you to develop them further,
either to include them in our forthcoming consultation on the role of magistrates
or collate them into a best practice guide for local areas."
There are those, magistrates
official spokesmen amongst them, who would look at the above as evidence of the
government`s continuing commitment to the role of Justice of the Peace. I beg to differ. By apparently prioritising our position
outside its natural habitat; the courtroom, it appears to be preparing the way
for us to be removed from that habitat and to be induced to accept a position
as functionaries wholly involved in an environment distanced from those very courtrooms
where we currently preside inter alia over procedures, management, trials and
sentencing. We are judicial turkeys being prepared for Christmas by being
offered tasty distractions to peck at whilst preparations are being made to
wring our judicial necks.
If I were female I would sign off
this post as Cassandra. Since I`m not how
about Jeremiah?
Sunday, 8 September 2013
THE WORLD WE LIVE IN
And so it was a couple of months ago when a colleague was about to relocate to Wales and confided in me that after she had told a person summonsed into the courtroom from a support unit in our court office to go back from where he came from [the particular office] and get the correct information a complaint of racism was made insofar as the individual was Estonian and the implication was that he should return to Estonia. It is scarcely credible that this nonsense was taken seriously and that my colleague had to explain herself. Of course the matter was dropped and the complainant was pacified. But that we have come to such a state of intellectual fear in this country where even the most straightforward of remarks can be so misinterpreted and worse still the complainants are afforded the status of having been verbally abused to placate those who would foster a culture of perpetual conflict amongst us; not the perpetual conflict envisaged by George Orwell in "1984" but the perpetual fear of causing offence resulting in silence instead of comment and inwardness in place of social contact.
Thursday, 5 September 2013
PLUS CA CHANGE………..
Legal Aid
limitations now agreed is the latest headline from Chris Grayling. As usual everything is going to be better and
cheaper. I suppose it can all be likened to choosing the devil over the deep
blue sea. Manchester Police reveal that
they can investigate only 40% of crimes and Police Scotland are castigated for
incestuous inquiry into complaints of mal practice.
DRIVING ON EMPTY
Those who have
been and are currently responsible for the oversight of justice provision in
this country are not fools; they are for the most part highly intelligent, well
educated people just following orders as so many have done in the past and are
doing so now. Their saving grace of
course is that their orders are to decimate the structures of the system as opposed
to the destruction of those within it. But the mentality is similar IMHO of
course. Fear of unemployment and lack of
confidence in taking their talents elsewhere provide reason enough for
legislators and facilitators to continue to take actions which are undermining one
of the two basic structures of our society.
There cannot be
a single magistrate or criminal lawyer who has no personal experience of failure within the Crown Prosecution Service
which has unbalanced the scales of justice.
My post of August 30th was just the latest in a long line cataloging my personal experiences. London
Assembly Member Tony Arbour has compiled figures for London where the CPS was responsible for 16%
of cases at Crown Courts and 20% at Magistrates Courts being held up. To quote from his report;
“23,777 cases in
London’s Crown and Magistrates courts were dropped or delayed in 2012.5Failings by the prosecution and court system were
to blame for four in ten (9,560) thrown out or delayed cases, working out at
184 every week. London was the worst performing region for delayed cases (16%
at Crown Courts and 20% at Magistrates Court
level classed as ‘ineffective’).5 The North East had the highest number of
cases being thrown out (53% at Crown
Court level and 44% at Magistrates Courts classed as ‘cracked’ “
And this report is
from a Conservative grouping. For how much longer can such a state of affairs
continue?
Last week saw a reinvigorated House of Commons defeat a government which
wanted to take this country to yet another war.
This decision was endorsed by a recent chief of the army; a man whom we presume
knows all there is to know about such matters.
He was not alone amongst his recently retired colleagues in uniform. Government spokesmen and others bewailed the
decision commenting that Britain
had thereby lost its status amongst the nations. And this after the self same government has
presided over the biggest reduction in the armed forces in living memory.
There is a commonly
used phrase for all this; “driving on empty”.
We are not driving on empty. As
far as our justice system goes we are coasting to a dead stop.
Wednesday, 4 September 2013
FROM EAST TO WEST
Immigration is a
topic which is now rarely out of the news.
Perhaps if it had not been off limits for politicians of all parties for
so long it would not now be newsworthy when every ramification of the previous
government`s blind eye to the numbers and origins of incomers seems to be
coming back to haunt us from the vastly under estimated numbers coming here
from Eastern Europe after 2006 to the latest prediction of schools running out
of capacity owing mainly to the fertility of immigrants of the last decade. Immigration mainly from Pakistan has
opened a door to the cultural manifestations of a society which were virtually
unknown to many in these islands twenty five years ago. In general there is a tolerance and harmony of
which we and our newest citizens can be proud.
However when people are uprooted by war and civil strife and are forced
to bring their familial traditions to these shores from east of Suez a court can be the
place where these are revealed to a wider audience.
Ameera and her large
family of parents and five siblings had been forced to leave their native
country earlier in the last decade because of continuing civil unrest which had become life threatening. Her father was in court charged with assault. Ameera who had just the slightest trace of an Arabic accent was
eighteen years old and appeared as the complainant and only CPS witness. She was
wearing clothes common to any girl of her age; neatly pressed jeans and a
modest top. Her long black hair was
uncovered. She took the oath on the
Koran. Her evidence of life under her father`s roof revealed that he was an
authoritarian for whom religion, culture and tradition were inseparable. Repeatedly wiping away her tears she
described the alleged assault. When Abir
entered the witness box he was accompanied by an interpreter. His evidence was full of contradictions. He was proud to tell the prosecutor that he was a devout Muslim and admitted that he
found living in the west had put a strain on family relationships all the while
denying the charge. The evidence was
clearly against him and we found him guilty.
Prior to adjourning for pre sentence report we were informed that he had
been cautioned a year previously for assault on his wife and earlier this year
had been convicted of assaulting Ameera.
We had been
given an insight into the innermost conflicts within a family trying to adapt to
life in a very foreign country and with little likelihood of their ever being
able to return from whence they came. Probably
repeated within thousands of households many
such events are unlikely to come to court but are likely to remain commonplace
for a very long time.
Monday, 2 September 2013
FROM MAGISTRATES COURT TO ADMINISTRATIVE COURT
My attention has
been drawn to an appeal in THE HIGH COURT OF JUSTICE QUEEN'S BENCH DIVISION ADMINISTRATIVE COURT IN BIRMINGHAM DIVISIONAL COURT.
There is a much meat in this case the constituents of which most
colleagues will have experienced in part if not whole…...part heard, tried in
absence, medical certificates, a bench re-constituted from three to two. The
judgement in full is here.
DRESSED FOR COURT?
A question for
colleagues; does the attitude or apparel of a defendant have any influence on
the manner in which his/her evidence is considered? From time to time it is obvious that the person in front of us, statistically likely
to be male, has made an effort to be “presentable”; dark
suit and a white shirt with tie. So far
so good but what about at the other end of the sartorial scale? Someone brought in having been remanded
overnight in the cells might not be responsible for appearing looking like a
dog`s breakfast. My own words to a
defendant in the witness box with hands in pockets would be along the lines of,
“ With your hands in your pockets some might think you have no respect for this
court and that would not be a good way to continue.”
However when in
court answering to bail or a summons should somebody be criticised for showing
disrespect to the court because he presents with no regard to the occasion? It seems that at Hull Crown Court Judge Jeremy
Richardson QC thought that the defendant before the court was so poorly attired
that he needed to be punished for his lack of respect for the court and
promptly had him put in the cells for three hours.
A brief report
is available here.
Saturday, 31 August 2013
MAGISTRATES AND COUNCIL TAX LIABILITY ORDERS
Some of the law which magistrates have to administer might not be to
their personal liking. One such is
having to adjudicate on those brought before us for not having a T.V. license
when their actions demanded they possess one. However we must work within the
law as it is, not as we might want it. For those unable to follow that simple
logic resignation is but a short letter away.
Another area where colleagues, especially those new to the job, occasionally
consider themselves as successors to the Sheriff of Nottingham is in the
granting of liability orders to pay Council Tax to borough councils. The occasions when we can behave as Robin
Hood are very few and far between. It is
probably as near as it gets on the bench to rubber stamping. Our power to refuse a liability order is
limited in the extreme. Indeed I can
recollect perhaps only three or four times I have ever done so and then only
when gross mal practice or irregularity was presented by a defendant making
his/her case personally. It was therefore a grossly uninformed Reverend Paul Nicolson who made recent headlines in
Haringey protesting about the actions of the local bench. Those who might fund his further actions
would be wise to acquaint themselves with the limitations under which the court
operates in these matters.
Friday, 30 August 2013
TOO LITTLE TOO LATE FOR THE CPS
Almost four years and around 1,200 posts is a lot of bytes. I have no inclination to count how many of these
were concerned with the Crown Prosecution Service but it is likely to be in two
figures. And the reason is not difficult to find: that organisation plays such
a mammoth part in the daily system of justice being done and being seen to be
done in magistrates` courts that its failings have repercussions right down to the loudmouth in the
pub who boasts of having “got away with it”; “it” being an offence of which he
should have been but was not found guilty.
This week my sitting witnessed (at least from the bench) such a
scenario.
It was a prosecution (CPS) application to admit “bad character” at a trial
listed for a fortnight hence. It was a
third listing. The only problem for the
CPS was that the application was over a month out of time. As the prosecutor
stood and began to explain the reasons for the application our legal advisor
thrust the actual form detailing the application on to the bench. Counsel for the defendant started to rise
whereupon bench chairman motioned him to sit and told the prosecutor to begin
by applying for permission to bring the application out of time. In a nutshell
prosecutor who was an agent had no plausible explanation except to fall back on
the truism of the CPS being under such pressures that procedures are continually
being overlooked and/or being left to
last minute review. Unsurprisingly
defence counsel opposed the application with some vigour. We rejected the application. However we had, as previously mentioned, been
prematurely presented with the details of the defendant`s history of convictions
of a similar nature to that of which he was currently awaiting trial. His propensity
of offending was such that had his bad character evidence been available for
CPS to present to the forthcoming trial bench his chances of acquittal would
have almost certainly been reduced.
So it is not unlikely that the troubles with the CPS have affected the course of justice being done. And this is not an isolated example; just the
latest to persuade me to put fingers to keyboard.
Thursday, 29 August 2013
POLICE ACCOUNTABILITY
Last January at my previous “home” for this blog I posted under the title
“DO WE NEED A GENERAL POLICE COUNCIL” I
have reproduced that post below.
“At one time only members of relatively few professions or occupations were subject to having to uphold personal and professional high standards and be answerable to their institutional peers for any failings real or suspected. Law and medicine were the two ancient professions which for generations were alone in policing themselves. In the post war era there has been increasing government influence in the standards and operation of these professions` controlling bodies. Many more professions have been brought under similar umbrellas to increase the public`s confidence in the protection offered. Optometry, osteopathy and teaching are just three of the “newer” professions subject to control by regulatory councils. This oversight in addition to the aforementioned applies to professionals employed or self employed even although those in the former category are also subject to any controls agreed with their employers according to their contracts of employment. Police officers are exempt from this individual professional regulation.
The disturbing case reported in yesterday`s Telegraph and the even more disturbing results of an inquiry into the officers` conduct should encourage the government to set up a Policing Council. Considering the coalition is almost at war with the police another controversial action might be politically opportune and popular with many of its wavering supporters. As a matter of interest the South Wales Constabulary in 2010 dismissed 6 officers and had 8 officers who resigned prior to a hearing or during investigation. None was shown to have retired on medical grounds. The complement of this force is currently 3,012 police officers.”
Since then the reputation of police has hardly been said to have
improved. Indeed with revelations from
Hillsborough to “cyclegate” via Leveson it could be said that the police`s
reputation if not at an all time low is damn near rock bottom. It now appears that the Police Federation is
considering the possibility of establishing a system whereby individual
officers would be responsible for their actions perhaps under the auspices of
the Police College.
On the basis that this organisation stands rock steady until it`s pushed
there is no doubt IMHO that somewhere in the Home Office there is under
advanced discussion a plan to establish
a body with regulatory powers to oversee and rule on the actions of police in a
fashion similar to that which operates for nurses, dentists etc. Perhaps that body will be called the General
Police Council?
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